A quick reference to guide you from not falling into the pit of false teachings by modern churches and denominations that use Paul’s letters even to reject Christ’s teachings! It is important to remember that Paul wasn’t even qualified to be an apostle (Acts 1:21-22), yet repeatedly claimed himself as an apostle (Eph 1:1; Gal 1:1; 1 Cor 1:1).
Paul’s Teachings
Christ’s Teachings
Salvation is by grace (Eph 2:8-9)
Salvation by keeping God’s commandments (Matt 19:16-19; Rev 22:14).
We can’t earn our salvation (Eph 2:8-9)
We must be worthy to attain salvation (Luke 20:35-36)
Grace of God is the gospel (Acts 20:24)
Kingdom of God is the gospel (Matt 9:35; Matt 24:14; Mark 1:15)
Paul being the master builder built his own foundation and called it as Jesus (1Cor 3:10-11)
Christ’s teachings are the foundation (Luke 6:46-49)
We are adopted by God for which we have no part to play to become His son (Eph 1:5)
We must be born of God to become His son (John 1:13; John 3:5) and free from sins to dwell in His house (John 8:34-36)
Faith is imputed for righteousness (Rom 4:5-12)
Even killing the wicked is imputed for righteousness according to Scriptures (Ps 106:30-31). Faith is not imputed for righteousness but obedience is required (Matt 7:21-23; Luke 6:46)
We are predestined according to the purpose of Him (Eph 1:5,11)
We will be taken away from Christ by the Father for bearing no fruits (John 15:2)
Where sin abounds, grace abounds more (Rom 5:20)
Grace is conditional (Matt 22:1-14), reversible (Matt 18:21-35) and expiring (Luke 13:6-9)
Paul was appointed as a teacher (2Tim 1:11)
Jesus Christ is our only Teacher (Matt 23:10)
Commandments of God brings death (Rom 7:7-25)
Commandments of God brings life (Matt 19:16-19)
Sin dwells inside him and blames his wrongdoings on his sins (Rom 7:17-23)
We need to be sinless (John 8:34-36) and even cut off our body parts (Matt 18:8-9) and keep our garments undefiled for our names to get not blotted from the book of Life (Rev 3:4-5).
Christ had abolished the law (Eph 2:15)
Christ did not come to abolish but to fulfil the law (Matt 5:17)
None is righteous (Rom. 3:10-12)
God the Father declares Job, Daniel and Noah as righteous (Ezek 14:14,20). Christ declares Nathanael with no deceit (John 1:47). Paul lied that none is righteous by misquoting Psalms 14:1 & 53:1 which are references to atheists.
Doctrine of unconditional election (Eph 1:4-8; Rom 9:11,15, 21)
Doctrine of cutting off from Christ (John 15:2; Matt 7:21-23)
Grace is irresistible (Rom 9:16)
Grace is conditional (Matt 22:1-14), reversible (Matt 18:21-35) and expiring (Luke 13:6-9)
Perseverance of the Saints or Eternal Security or Once Saved Always Saved (Phil 1:6)
No one can snatch from God’s hand (John 10:27) except the Father Himself will take away from Christ for bearing no fruit (John 15:2)
Progressive sanctification, meaning slowly transforming like Christ every day and it is a life long process (2Cor 3:17-18)
Perfect Sanctification, meaning you must be sinless to live in Christ’s house and to get your name not blotted from book of life (John 8:34-36; Rev 3:4-5)
Circumcised is a debtor to keep the whole law (Gal 5:3)
Circumcision is not from Moses but the patriarchs (John 7:22)
Not to fulfil the lust of the flesh (Gal 5:16)
Not even to lust, if require pluck the eyes out to avoid lust (Matt 5:28-29)
Peter, James and John must go to the circumcised and Paul to the uncircumcised (Gal 2:7-9)
All the eleven disciples of Jesus including Peter, James and John were commanded to go to all nations (Matt 28:16-20).
The law is not of faith (Gal 3:12)
The law includes faith (Matt 23:23)
No one can be justified by the law (Gal 3:11)
The humble tax collector was justified in the Temple (Luke 18:14) according to the law (Lev 26:41-42)
Christ did not send to baptise (1Cor 1:17)
Baptise in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. (Matt 28:19)
It’s okay to eat things sacrificed to idols (1 Cor 8)
Not to eat things sacrificed to idols (Rev 2:14,20)
Pray everywhere lifting up your hands (1 Tim 2:8)
Pray privately in secret not to be seen by others (Matt 6:5-6)
God loved us while we were still sinners (Rom 5:8)
God loves only those who keep His commandments (John 14:21)
Christ is Lord of both the dead and the living (Rom 14:9)
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living (Matt 22:32).
Only those who cannot exercise self control must marry (1 Cor 7:9)
It is better only for eunuchs to not marry (Matt 19:12)
Jesus became a life-giving spirit (1 Cor 15:45).
I am not a spirit (Luke 24:39)
Wide gate and easy way just by calling on Jesus name and believing in Him in heart (Rom 10:9-13)
Narrow gate and difficult path by obeying Jesus Christ (Matt 7:13-14)
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even a murderer has his own way to justify himself. Do not get disturbed,faith in Christ teaches the Truth. I met a man who was arguing that Apostle Paul was a mad man.
Grace comes into force after Jesus death on the cross. If law is everything why he need to accept that humiliating, painful, disgraceful death on the cross.
Christ never taught the law but His commandments as in Matt 5. Nothing in it is from the law. Grace doesn’t come after Jesus death. The grace which can be implied from parables of Jesus is conditional (Matt 22:1-14), reversible (Matt 18:21-35) and expiring (Luke 13:6-9) — given only to become righteous and holy before being cut off. Salvation by grace is not found in any of the books written by the disciples of Jesus or even in Revelation which was written long after. The lie of grace comes only from the deceiver Paul.
Avadi
4 years ago
We’ve got to be careful as we analyze these scriptures. It’s easy to get mixed up since our English translation has been obscured from the original Hebrew. There are many Hebrew idioms and meanings that were lost in the literal translation to Greek, and then to English.
For example: when Jesus talks about “entering life” in Matthew 19, he is not talking about being saved from sin, like Paul is in Ephesians 2. He is talking about entering the “Kingdom of Heaven (or the Kingdom of God),” which meant “become a believer or disciple.” We are saved (from sin) by putting our faith in Christ; we enter into the Kingdom (discipleship) by obeying his commands.
As far as eating food sacrificed to idols is concerned, we must look at the context of both passages you presented to understand that we are free to eat food that has been sacrificed (as long as it doesn’t cause a brother to stumble), but we are not free to engage in the worship of idols in the form of eating food sacrificed to them. Big difference. On one hand, we recognize the fact the food was sacrificed means nothing because,
” “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” ” (1 Corinthians 8:4),and therefore, we can treat it as if it were any other food (if we and those around us do not have a weak conscience, as it explains in 1 Corinthians 8). But on the other hand, we do not partake in the idol worship that goes with eating food sacrificed to idols. God knows our motives.
We can study in this manner all the scriptures presented here. Rest assured these are not contradictions, but merely faulty English translations which we wrongly take at face value. It’s all about context and learning the meaning that was originally intended. Unfortunately, we cannot only read the English translation of the Bible and expect to understand what God is saying. We must go back to the Hebrew (not the Greek).
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Main Sources:
“Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus” – David Bivin
Jesus taught that He came to save us from death (not sin) by showing the way to eternal life. It is we who need to be sinless to enter life which is synonymously used to enter kingdom of Heaven.
Mark 9:43-48 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched– where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched– where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire– where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.
We are not saved from sin by putting our faith in Christ because, He said not to be ‘believing slaves’. We become free from sins if we abide in His words and become His disciples.
John 8:31-35 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. .. Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, [but] a son abides forever.
Jesus never taught us to eat things sacrified to idols on certain occations depending on how we think. On the contrary, He was against and warned two of His churches.
Woe, woe, woe! Jesus taught that He came to save us from death (not sin) by showing the way to eternal life. It is we who need to be sinless to enter life which is synonymously used to enter kingdom of Heaven. What?
Felix it has been 4 years since you made this comment. If you are of the same mind I will bear witness to you that your understanding is very incorrect.
Sin and death are not able to be separated brother. The origin of the Sin–the Root that bears fruit–sins came in in Genesis 3:6-7 when their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked for the glory of the light that beamed out of them had departed–the life of God separated out of them.
This is the origin of death, the died to God and became alive to a alienated condition where the intellect became darkened being (G5607) alienated from the life of God. In Rom 5:12 Paul deals with both the root and fruit.
So in Genesis 3:22-24 the origin of this condition known as the Sin is right there! Barred access to the tree of Life. To get back to the tree of Life one must die to the Sin to become alive to God (Rom 6 all, but esp. vs. 10-12.) God told Adam that in the day he ate from that other tree (tree of idolatry Gen 3:5) in the Greek Septuagint it is clear–by death you will die in the future [θανατωG2288 N-DSM αποθανεισθεG599 V-FMI-2P= by death (dative) you will die in the future]. Unfortunately for the Christian religion it is impossible to know for yourself what the Scripture actually teaches if you cannot learn to some Greek vocabulary and how to understand the morphological codes. Future Middle Indicative–2P you will die in the future, P=plural, Adam and his wife. She wasn’t given her name until after Adam’s judgment.
Interestingly, all the evil (Gen 3:17-19 defines ponēros G4190) that was ever to come into the world came into the world because of Adam. He is the head of it all and there is no mention to him or his wife in their judgment that they would be punished forever in hell!
So, what do you think happens when one gets cut off from the Tree of Life? Yup, the die! Paul is correct in Romans 5:12, death came in through the separation from God’s life and it spread into all men, who sinned because they were mortal–separated or alienated from the life of God. Now having the mind of the flesh the idea of having to die to live is foolishness to the soulish–natural man (1Cor 2:14) just as it was to Cain who stands at the head of the evolution all religion including the Christian religion. Hence, Paul is correct in Romans 5:12. Sin entered the world through Adam and death logically came through the separation from the life of God. Obvious.
Matt 6:5-6 And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who [is] in the secret [place;] and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
Jesus taught us that prayer is to be seen only by the Father and even instructs us to go to our rooms, shut the door and pray in secret. Jesus Himself went to a solitary place to pray (Mark 1:35, Luke 4:42). Lifting our hands in church is similar to standing in synagogues to be seen by others. Hence, I believe it does goes against the teachings of Jesus. But ultimately, God sees the heart if the motive to lift the hands was to be seen by others or out of true worship in Spirit and Truth in submission to Him.
Maryse
4 years ago
Perhaps someone can explain this to me, women will be saved by child bearing.
1 Timothy 2:15, NIV: “But women will be saved through childbearing–if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
To me this scripture alone contradicts many of Pauls teachings. Does this mean a barren women will not be saved?
Or that grace only saves men but women, childbearing and on condition she continues in faith and love and so on? So women are saved on conditions and not confessing Jesus as Lord or grace according to Pauls teachings for men. Wow sounds like the dude hates women.
Jayce
4 years ago
2 Peter 3:13-16
New International Version
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
I had a question on a different discussion and you referenced me here. This is the Apostle Peter, one of the twelve. I agree on sinlessness, but this…come on, 90% of the verses are out of context. This is just one passage of many that validates Paul.
Book of 2nd Peter is not written by Apostle Simon Peter but pseudepigraphical and written by Simeon Peter (2 Pet 1:1) as the opening verse itself says. Irrespective of it, Peter is not authoritative over Christ or His teachings (Matt 10:24). Hence, Peter cannot approve something that goes against what Christ taught. If Peter goes against what Christ spoke, then Peter is Satan (Matt 16:23).
Glen
2 years ago
Both teachings are correct from Jesus AND Paul. Why are you sooo selective in your choice of verses when Paul himself summarises his message = New King James Version Act 26:20
but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, AND do works befitting repentance.
There is not a single teaching or doctrine or parable of Jesus in any of Paul’s letters. Everything Paul taught is contrary to what Jesus taught. Here are some of the teachings of double tongued Paul writes in his letters. You can prove anything using Paul’s letters.
Salvation by works (Rom 2:5-7) or faith confession (Rom 10:9-10)? Righteousness required for Salvation (1 Cor 6:9-10) or not required (Titus 3:4-5)? No one is justified by the law (Rom 3:20; Gal 3:11) or doers of the law can be justified (Rom 2:13)? Boasting only in the cross of Christ (Gal 6:14) or boasting as ‘not a burden to anyone’ as well (2Cor 11:9-10)? Least of the apostles (1Cor 15:9) or not inferior to eminent apostles (2 Cor 11:5)? Bear one another’s burdens (Gal 6:2) or bear your own burden (Gal 6:5)? Law abolished (Eph 2:14-15) or establishing an abolished law (Rom 3:31)? Is Paul (in present tense) chief of sinners (1 Tim 1:15) or he is like Christ (1 Cor 11:1) asking others to imitate him? Paul’s words are commandments of the Lord (1Cor 14:37) yet he does not speak according to the Lord (2Cor 11:17)? .. the list goes on.
Gary Rozar
1 year ago
JESUS CHRIST NEVER TAUGHT GRACE…HE TAUGHT MERCY AND REPENTANCE…LK13:5, MATT 5:7. I ALSO LIKE HEB 5:8-9-SALVATION IS FOR ONLY THOSE WHO OBEY JESUS CHRIST! LK 6:46, MT 7:21-24
Annonymous
7 months ago
Do you really think all of that is outside of God’s control and that the church has been wrong for 2000 years? Stop rejecting His word that is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
6 out of 7 churches were wrong on the 1st century itself and the one church that Christ didn’t complain is being persecuted.
He who has a ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches:
God doesn’t control churches, but rather gives all authority to His Son who will denying access to tree of life for believers in His own church who don’t overcome. Rev 2:7. Christ is allowing believers who don’t overcome to get hurt from second death. Rev 2:11. Christ will fight against believers who eat things sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality. Rev 2:16. Christ will push believers who commit adultery with a self-claimed prophetess inside the church into great tribulation and kill her children Rev 2:22-23. Christ will blot the names of believers from the book of life if they defile their garments. Rev 3:4-5. Christ will not keep the believers from the hour of trial if they had not kept His command to persevere. Rev 3:10. Christ will vomit believers out of His mouth if their works are lukewarm (Rev 3:15-16).
2000 years later, which of these wrong churches are you part of to reject the words of Christ to follow Paul? For your question, yes, it is outside of God’s control to force churches because it is not His nature to force people to love Him. Do you really think it is outside of God’s control to make all people love Him? Absolutely. It’s called a ‘fallacy’ very common in Paul’s letters to deceive people easily. Do you really think God can create a stone that He cannot lift? – just to show you the fallacy in your answer.
To preface this: understand I am coming from a place of love. This answer has no fallacy. The word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Your response is sadly reminiscent in aspects of early church heresies such as pelagianism and donatism which were dispelled by the church of that day. All of which deny God and the truths in His word (John 1:1), His sovereignty (Isaiah 45:7–9), control (Lamentations 3:37) and irrevocable gift of grace (Romans 11:29). Mind you I will use Paul’s letters because they are the word of God. Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus for a reason. But it goes further, to erroneously allege ‘fallacies’ do I understand you correctly are you saying they are in error? And no the writing of His Word is not outside of His’s control, God is sovereign and authoritative, as is His Holy Spirit. The Bible is God’s word written and inspired by the Holy Spirit, Paul’s letters are part of that. The inspired writings of the apostles are part of the Word of God, and no one has a right to change their message. We must always be on guard against “new teachings” and “revelations” that are not subject to the the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27).I leave you with a Pauline quote you’ve heard probably countless times, but I say it anyway because it is the word of God: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9, KJV). In love I urge you to repent and implore you to come back to God and His Holy word. While I understand you may have heard this before I feel convicted to speak the truth in love, and understand I am coming from a good place.
According to God’s own words, He doesn’t control what men write in the Bible.
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (Jeremiah 8:8)
The Word of God is Jesus Christ. The Bible NEVER claims itself as the Word of God – it’s a lie from modern churches. Exalting a man’s letter to be equal with Christ’s, then claiming it to be the Word of God and acknowledging the wrong teachings/writings of Paul by blaming on God’s inability to correct them is blasphemy.
The truth is, everything the Father spoke in the OT and Jesus is the Word of God. God never gave His glory to a man or his letter to be equal with Him. God is sovereign in deciding to not to force correction on what men do in His church or false writings of men – but rather warns and judges/punishes them.
God didn’t send Paul but His own Son who died for us. He also didn’t send His Holy Spirit to inspire/instruct Paul to undo what Christ taught during His earthy ministry.
On the Pauline quote you mentioned, Christ preached the gospel of His Kingdom throughout the gospels (never even mentioned the word grace) and Paul preached gospel of grace (Acts 20:24). By quoting Galatians 1:8-9 and accepting it, are you cursing Jesus Christ because He didn’t preach the gospel of grace which Paul preached? How far are you willing to reject and curse Christ so that you can follow Paul?
Is Christ quoting a Greek quote from son of Zeus in Hebrew to Paul in road to Damascus? Is Christ quoting from Quran or other religious books lately when you pray to Him? – There are other posts explaining these in detail.
aajayunlimited
23 days ago
Rev 2 VS 1 Cor 8 seems to be indisputable evidence that Paul should not be biblical. No one has any response except to refuse to debate or get angry for even bringing it up! I’ve been called heretical for doing so! But, finding a church home brick and mortar or online that agrees with this sentiment is next to impossible that is not also a cult itself(though there is a seemingly growing online community of individuals here and there–not a church–that reject Paul). I think the Hebrew Roots are a cult! I think the SDBs also believe in Paul! I found one man online that was an elderly gray-haired and bearded man(Exodus 2 The Kingdom) was cussing during the broadcast: he said SOhBee and the S-bumb! I couldn’t even get through nearly 28 mins of what he was saying, but the content seemed great minus the cussing!
Sadly, this is the best I’ve found…If we are to be truly honest with ourselves, we must also be about determining first plus rejecting the questionable books of the NT(any pseudepigraphical works could have been done by Paul or a Paul supporter then or later and/or thusly edited: Hebrews* and 2 Peter* for example are worth looking into). And, there must also be an understanding about where the church should stand on Luke. Luke reported and–in some cases–made himself an eyewitness to Paul. Church denominations need to have discussions about the questions that church congregants are having and the ones that keep the sinners from committing to the faith instead of labeling them ne’er do wells and apostates(when the true reason lies with their teachings and actions).
*And, Hebrews is intense, but do we know if it was inspired. I think it is controversial with scholars as to who wrote it. After all, a rapture dream or near-death psychological experience can be intense, but can also be untrue or hallucination! In addition, for those who think that some people or some groups that had the positioning or authority to add or take away from scripture would not has their head in the sand(there have been narcissistic people[anything for attention], those that were deceived by someone that they admired[or biased to someone’s teachings], those that had authority that were unwilling to fully live holy[they’d change whatever was inconvenient], those that were secretly privy to a competing religion, those that had an experience that convinced them to influence others, and/or those groups that had authority to torture and kill one generation that did not follow them plus have their own ordinances gain more esteem upon the next generations that were ignorant to the changes[masonic like groups have this kind of handling their role within an agenda and passing of the torch to the next generation]). With 2 Peter, you have Rev 2 VS 1 Cor 8 VS 2 Peter 3: if any disagrees with YAHSHUA, then they are liars. Would Peter be inspired to dictate a work that disagrees with YAHSHUA(2 Peter 3 agrees Paul while Rev 2 disagrees)?!
This is…disturbing, to say the least
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even a murderer has his own way to justify himself. Do not get disturbed,faith in Christ teaches the Truth. I met a man who was arguing that Apostle Paul was a mad man.
Grace comes into force after Jesus death on the cross. If law is everything why he need to accept that humiliating, painful, disgraceful death on the cross.
Christ never taught the law but His commandments as in Matt 5. Nothing in it is from the law. Grace doesn’t come after Jesus death. The grace which can be implied from parables of Jesus is conditional (Matt 22:1-14), reversible (Matt 18:21-35) and expiring (Luke 13:6-9) — given only to become righteous and holy before being cut off. Salvation by grace is not found in any of the books written by the disciples of Jesus or even in Revelation which was written long after. The lie of grace comes only from the deceiver Paul.
We’ve got to be careful as we analyze these scriptures. It’s easy to get mixed up since our English translation has been obscured from the original Hebrew. There are many Hebrew idioms and meanings that were lost in the literal translation to Greek, and then to English.
For example: when Jesus talks about “entering life” in Matthew 19, he is not talking about being saved from sin, like Paul is in Ephesians 2. He is talking about entering the “Kingdom of Heaven (or the Kingdom of God),” which meant “become a believer or disciple.” We are saved (from sin) by putting our faith in Christ; we enter into the Kingdom (discipleship) by obeying his commands.
As far as eating food sacrificed to idols is concerned, we must look at the context of both passages you presented to understand that we are free to eat food that has been sacrificed (as long as it doesn’t cause a brother to stumble), but we are not free to engage in the worship of idols in the form of eating food sacrificed to them. Big difference. On one hand, we recognize the fact the food was sacrificed means nothing because,
” “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” ” (1 Corinthians 8:4),and therefore, we can treat it as if it were any other food (if we and those around us do not have a weak conscience, as it explains in 1 Corinthians 8). But on the other hand, we do not partake in the idol worship that goes with eating food sacrificed to idols. God knows our motives.
We can study in this manner all the scriptures presented here. Rest assured these are not contradictions, but merely faulty English translations which we wrongly take at face value. It’s all about context and learning the meaning that was originally intended. Unfortunately, we cannot only read the English translation of the Bible and expect to understand what God is saying. We must go back to the Hebrew (not the Greek).
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Main Sources:
“Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus” – David Bivin
Blueletterbible[dot]org
Jesus taught that He came to save us from death (not sin) by showing the way to eternal life. It is we who need to be sinless to enter life which is synonymously used to enter kingdom of Heaven.
Mark 9:43-48 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched– where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched– where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’ And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire– where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.
We are not saved from sin by putting our faith in Christ because, He said not to be ‘believing slaves’. We become free from sins if we abide in His words and become His disciples.
John 8:31-35 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. .. Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, [but] a son abides forever.
Jesus never taught us to eat things sacrified to idols on certain occations depending on how we think. On the contrary, He was against and warned two of His churches.
Woe, woe, woe! Jesus taught that He came to save us from death (not sin) by showing the way to eternal life. It is we who need to be sinless to enter life which is synonymously used to enter kingdom of Heaven. What?
Felix it has been 4 years since you made this comment. If you are of the same mind I will bear witness to you that your understanding is very incorrect.
Sin and death are not able to be separated brother. The origin of the Sin–the Root that bears fruit–sins came in in Genesis 3:6-7 when their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked for the glory of the light that beamed out of them had departed–the life of God separated out of them.
This is the origin of death, the died to God and became alive to a alienated condition where the intellect became darkened being (G5607) alienated from the life of God. In Rom 5:12 Paul deals with both the root and fruit.
So in Genesis 3:22-24 the origin of this condition known as the Sin is right there! Barred access to the tree of Life. To get back to the tree of Life one must die to the Sin to become alive to God (Rom 6 all, but esp. vs. 10-12.) God told Adam that in the day he ate from that other tree (tree of idolatry Gen 3:5) in the Greek Septuagint it is clear–by death you will die in the future [θανατωG2288 N-DSM αποθανεισθεG599 V-FMI-2P= by death (dative) you will die in the future]. Unfortunately for the Christian religion it is impossible to know for yourself what the Scripture actually teaches if you cannot learn to some Greek vocabulary and how to understand the morphological codes. Future Middle Indicative–2P you will die in the future, P=plural, Adam and his wife. She wasn’t given her name until after Adam’s judgment.
Interestingly, all the evil (Gen 3:17-19 defines ponēros G4190) that was ever to come into the world came into the world because of Adam. He is the head of it all and there is no mention to him or his wife in their judgment that they would be punished forever in hell!
So, what do you think happens when one gets cut off from the Tree of Life? Yup, the die! Paul is correct in Romans 5:12, death came in through the separation from God’s life and it spread into all men, who sinned because they were mortal–separated or alienated from the life of God. Now having the mind of the flesh the idea of having to die to live is foolishness to the soulish–natural man (1Cor 2:14) just as it was to Cain who stands at the head of the evolution all religion including the Christian religion. Hence, Paul is correct in Romans 5:12. Sin entered the world through Adam and death logically came through the separation from the life of God. Obvious.
Sin and death are separate and your point of argument is wrong.
1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not [leading] to death.
I agree! This chart really could cause alot of problems with many believers.
does praying in church lifting of arms/hands go against praying in secret as per bible?
Matt 6:5-6 And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who [is] in the secret [place;] and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
Jesus taught us that prayer is to be seen only by the Father and even instructs us to go to our rooms, shut the door and pray in secret. Jesus Himself went to a solitary place to pray (Mark 1:35, Luke 4:42). Lifting our hands in church is similar to standing in synagogues to be seen by others. Hence, I believe it does goes against the teachings of Jesus. But ultimately, God sees the heart if the motive to lift the hands was to be seen by others or out of true worship in Spirit and Truth in submission to Him.
Perhaps someone can explain this to me, women will be saved by child bearing.
1 Timothy 2:15, NIV: “But women will be saved through childbearing–if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
To me this scripture alone contradicts many of Pauls teachings. Does this mean a barren women will not be saved?
Or that grace only saves men but women, childbearing and on condition she continues in faith and love and so on? So women are saved on conditions and not confessing Jesus as Lord or grace according to Pauls teachings for men. Wow sounds like the dude hates women.
2 Peter 3:13-16
New International Version
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
I had a question on a different discussion and you referenced me here. This is the Apostle Peter, one of the twelve. I agree on sinlessness, but this…come on, 90% of the verses are out of context. This is just one passage of many that validates Paul.
Book of 2nd Peter is not written by Apostle Simon Peter but pseudepigraphical and written by Simeon Peter (2 Pet 1:1) as the opening verse itself says. Irrespective of it, Peter is not authoritative over Christ or His teachings (Matt 10:24). Hence, Peter cannot approve something that goes against what Christ taught. If Peter goes against what Christ spoke, then Peter is Satan (Matt 16:23).
Both teachings are correct from Jesus AND Paul. Why are you sooo selective in your choice of verses when Paul himself summarises his message = New King James Version Act 26:20
but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, AND do works befitting repentance.
There is not a single teaching or doctrine or parable of Jesus in any of Paul’s letters. Everything Paul taught is contrary to what Jesus taught. Here are some of the teachings of double tongued Paul writes in his letters. You can prove anything using Paul’s letters.
Salvation by works (Rom 2:5-7) or faith confession (Rom 10:9-10)? Righteousness required for Salvation (1 Cor 6:9-10) or not required (Titus 3:4-5)? No one is justified by the law (Rom 3:20; Gal 3:11) or doers of the law can be justified (Rom 2:13)? Boasting only in the cross of Christ (Gal 6:14) or boasting as ‘not a burden to anyone’ as well (2Cor 11:9-10)? Least of the apostles (1Cor 15:9) or not inferior to eminent apostles (2 Cor 11:5)? Bear one another’s burdens (Gal 6:2) or bear your own burden (Gal 6:5)? Law abolished (Eph 2:14-15) or establishing an abolished law (Rom 3:31)? Is Paul (in present tense) chief of sinners (1 Tim 1:15) or he is like Christ (1 Cor 11:1) asking others to imitate him? Paul’s words are commandments of the Lord (1Cor 14:37) yet he does not speak according to the Lord (2Cor 11:17)? .. the list goes on.
JESUS CHRIST NEVER TAUGHT GRACE…HE TAUGHT MERCY AND REPENTANCE…LK13:5, MATT 5:7. I ALSO LIKE HEB 5:8-9-SALVATION IS FOR ONLY THOSE WHO OBEY JESUS CHRIST! LK 6:46, MT 7:21-24
Do you really think all of that is outside of God’s control and that the church has been wrong for 2000 years? Stop rejecting His word that is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
6 out of 7 churches were wrong on the 1st century itself and the one church that Christ didn’t complain is being persecuted.
He who has a ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches:
God doesn’t control churches, but rather gives all authority to His Son who will denying access to tree of life for believers in His own church who don’t overcome. Rev 2:7. Christ is allowing believers who don’t overcome to get hurt from second death. Rev 2:11. Christ will fight against believers who eat things sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality. Rev 2:16. Christ will push believers who commit adultery with a self-claimed prophetess inside the church into great tribulation and kill her children Rev 2:22-23. Christ will blot the names of believers from the book of life if they defile their garments. Rev 3:4-5. Christ will not keep the believers from the hour of trial if they had not kept His command to persevere. Rev 3:10. Christ will vomit believers out of His mouth if their works are lukewarm (Rev 3:15-16).
2000 years later, which of these wrong churches are you part of to reject the words of Christ to follow Paul? For your question, yes, it is outside of God’s control to force churches because it is not His nature to force people to love Him. Do you really think it is outside of God’s control to make all people love Him? Absolutely. It’s called a ‘fallacy’ very common in Paul’s letters to deceive people easily. Do you really think God can create a stone that He cannot lift? – just to show you the fallacy in your answer.
To preface this: understand I am coming from a place of love. This answer has no fallacy. The word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Your response is sadly reminiscent in aspects of early church heresies such as pelagianism and donatism which were dispelled by the church of that day. All of which deny God and the truths in His word (John 1:1), His sovereignty (Isaiah 45:7–9), control (Lamentations 3:37) and irrevocable gift of grace (Romans 11:29). Mind you I will use Paul’s letters because they are the word of God. Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus for a reason. But it goes further, to erroneously allege ‘fallacies’ do I understand you correctly are you saying they are in error? And no the writing of His Word is not outside of His’s control, God is sovereign and authoritative, as is His Holy Spirit. The Bible is God’s word written and inspired by the Holy Spirit, Paul’s letters are part of that. The inspired writings of the apostles are part of the Word of God, and no one has a right to change their message. We must always be on guard against “new teachings” and “revelations” that are not subject to the the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27).I leave you with a Pauline quote you’ve heard probably countless times, but I say it anyway because it is the word of God: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9, KJV). In love I urge you to repent and implore you to come back to God and His Holy word. While I understand you may have heard this before I feel convicted to speak the truth in love, and understand I am coming from a good place.
According to God’s own words, He doesn’t control what men write in the Bible.
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (Jeremiah 8:8)
The Word of God is Jesus Christ. The Bible NEVER claims itself as the Word of God – it’s a lie from modern churches. Exalting a man’s letter to be equal with Christ’s, then claiming it to be the Word of God and acknowledging the wrong teachings/writings of Paul by blaming on God’s inability to correct them is blasphemy.
The truth is, everything the Father spoke in the OT and Jesus is the Word of God. God never gave His glory to a man or his letter to be equal with Him. God is sovereign in deciding to not to force correction on what men do in His church or false writings of men – but rather warns and judges/punishes them.
God didn’t send Paul but His own Son who died for us. He also didn’t send His Holy Spirit to inspire/instruct Paul to undo what Christ taught during His earthy ministry.
On the Pauline quote you mentioned, Christ preached the gospel of His Kingdom throughout the gospels (never even mentioned the word grace) and Paul preached gospel of grace (Acts 20:24). By quoting Galatians 1:8-9 and accepting it, are you cursing Jesus Christ because He didn’t preach the gospel of grace which Paul preached? How far are you willing to reject and curse Christ so that you can follow Paul?
Is Christ quoting a Greek quote from son of Zeus in Hebrew to Paul in road to Damascus? Is Christ quoting from Quran or other religious books lately when you pray to Him? – There are other posts explaining these in detail.
Rev 2 VS 1 Cor 8 seems to be indisputable evidence that Paul should not be biblical. No one has any response except to refuse to debate or get angry for even bringing it up! I’ve been called heretical for doing so! But, finding a church home brick and mortar or online that agrees with this sentiment is next to impossible that is not also a cult itself(though there is a seemingly growing online community of individuals here and there–not a church–that reject Paul). I think the Hebrew Roots are a cult! I think the SDBs also believe in Paul! I found one man online that was an elderly gray-haired and bearded man(Exodus 2 The Kingdom) was cussing during the broadcast: he said SOhBee and the S-bumb! I couldn’t even get through nearly 28 mins of what he was saying, but the content seemed great minus the cussing!
Sadly, this is the best I’ve found…If we are to be truly honest with ourselves, we must also be about determining first plus rejecting the questionable books of the NT(any pseudepigraphical works could have been done by Paul or a Paul supporter then or later and/or thusly edited: Hebrews* and 2 Peter* for example are worth looking into). And, there must also be an understanding about where the church should stand on Luke. Luke reported and–in some cases–made himself an eyewitness to Paul. Church denominations need to have discussions about the questions that church congregants are having and the ones that keep the sinners from committing to the faith instead of labeling them ne’er do wells and apostates(when the true reason lies with their teachings and actions).
*And, Hebrews is intense, but do we know if it was inspired. I think it is controversial with scholars as to who wrote it. After all, a rapture dream or near-death psychological experience can be intense, but can also be untrue or hallucination! In addition, for those who think that some people or some groups that had the positioning or authority to add or take away from scripture would not has their head in the sand(there have been narcissistic people[anything for attention], those that were deceived by someone that they admired[or biased to someone’s teachings], those that had authority that were unwilling to fully live holy[they’d change whatever was inconvenient], those that were secretly privy to a competing religion, those that had an experience that convinced them to influence others, and/or those groups that had authority to torture and kill one generation that did not follow them plus have their own ordinances gain more esteem upon the next generations that were ignorant to the changes[masonic like groups have this kind of handling their role within an agenda and passing of the torch to the next generation]). With 2 Peter, you have Rev 2 VS 1 Cor 8 VS 2 Peter 3: if any disagrees with YAHSHUA, then they are liars. Would Peter be inspired to dictate a work that disagrees with YAHSHUA(2 Peter 3 agrees Paul while Rev 2 disagrees)?!